{"id":191317,"date":"2025-10-28T06:42:42","date_gmt":"2025-10-28T11:42:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/?p=191317"},"modified":"2026-06-06T06:43:12","modified_gmt":"2026-06-06T11:43:12","slug":"podcast-1091-make-friends-with-death-to-live-a-better-life-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/beta.artofmanliness.com\/character\/self-improvement\/podcast-1091-make-friends-with-death-to-live-a-better-life-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast #1,091: Make Friends With Death to Live a Better Life"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>We live in a culture that does everything it can to keep death at a distance. We hide it behind hospital curtains, euphemize it in conversation, and hustle through grief like it&#8217;s just another item on the to-do list. We don&#8217;t want death to get in the way of living.<\/p>\n<p>But my guest would say that making friends with death is the key to fully embracing life. Joanna Ebenstein is the founder of Morbid Anatomy, a project that uses exhibitions, lectures, and classes to explore how death intersects with history and culture. She&#8217;s also the author of <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4ht7nMU\"><em>Memento Mori: The Art of Contemplating Death to Live a Better Life<\/em><\/a>. Today on the show, Joanna shares why we lost a more intimate relationship with death and the life-stifling consequences of that disconnect. We discuss practices for coming to terms with death and removing our fear of it, including looking at memento mori art, meditating on death, talking to the dead, and simply taking care of the practicalities surrounding our inevitable departure.<\/p>\n<h2>Resources Related to the Podcast<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/advice\/what-man-understands-that-he-is-dying-daily-this-is-your-life\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/advice\/what-man-understands-that-he-is-dying-daily-this-is-your-life\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1761055347521000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2ZTKLAM4gkh8W7l_0rMs8w\">AoM Article: What Man Understands That He Is Dying Daily? 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Ebenstein<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.morbidanatomy.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.morbidanatomy.org\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1761055347521000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0fRdUEobP8yLbUY3mv7rtt\">Morbid Anatomy website<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.joannaebenstein.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.joannaebenstein.com\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1761055347521000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0V19Rk7W9FFhZvjy1H3nW3\">Joanna&#8217;s website<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4ht7nMU\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-191319\" src=\"https:\/\/content.artofmanliness.com\/uploads\/2025\/10\/81ZBMSOXaUL._SL1500_.jpg\" alt=\"Book cover for &quot;Memento Mori&quot; by Joanna Ebenstein featuring a skull among colorful flowers and fruit, with the subtitle &quot;The Art of Contemplating Death to Live a Better Life.\" width=\"325\" height=\"438\" srcset=\"https:\/\/content.artofmanliness.com\/uploads\/2025\/10\/81ZBMSOXaUL._SL1500_.jpg 325w, https:\/\/content.artofmanliness.com\/uploads\/2025\/10\/81ZBMSOXaUL._SL1500_-320x431.jpg 320w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 325px) 100vw, 325px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2>Listen to the Podcast! (And don\u2019t forget to leave us a review!)<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-art-of-manliness\/id332516054?mt=2\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-111440 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/content.artofmanliness.com\/uploads\/2020\/02\/listen-apple-podcasts.jpg\" alt=\"Apple Podcast.\" width=\"300\" height=\"77\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes332516054\/the-art-of-manliness\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-111443 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/content.artofmanliness.com\/uploads\/2020\/02\/overcast-1.png\" alt=\"Overcast.\" width=\"300\" height=\"79\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/2vJHmWhhcMQRXtTruuFWTJ\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-111444 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/content.artofmanliness.com\/uploads\/2020\/02\/spotify.png\" alt=\"Spotify.\" width=\"300\" height=\"109\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/castro.fm\/podcast\/3c765314-b44c-410d-91c5-a36600abcca3\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-191297\" src=\"https:\/\/content.artofmanliness.com\/uploads\/2020\/08\/podcastcastro_orig.png\" alt=\"Listen on Castro button.\" width=\"300\" height=\"100\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/art19.com\/shows\/the-art-of-manliness\/episodes\/763ff60c-c601-464c-8a3e-a660acf8ab7e\">Listen to the episode on a separate page.<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/rss.art19.com\/episodes\/763ff60c-c601-464c-8a3e-a660acf8ab7e.mp3\">Download this episode.<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/rss.art19.com\/the-art-of-manliness\">Subscribe to the podcast in the media player of your choice.<\/a><\/p>\n<h2>Transcript Coming Soon<\/h2>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We live in a culture that does everything it can to keep death at a distance. 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