{"id":191301,"date":"2025-10-21T09:24:22","date_gmt":"2025-10-21T14:24:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/?p=191301"},"modified":"2026-09-06T16:44:56","modified_gmt":"2026-09-06T21:44:56","slug":"podcast-1090-chasing-the-white-whale-into-the-depths-of-moby-dick","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/beta.artofmanliness.com\/culture\/books\/podcast-1090-chasing-the-white-whale-into-the-depths-of-moby-dick\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast #1,090: Chasing the White Whale \u2014 Into the Depths of Moby-Dick"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>If you went to high school in America, you probably read <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/46XjH4j\"><em>Moby-Dick<\/em><\/a> \u2014 or, more likely, you skimmed the CliffsNotes and wondered why this dense, whale-obsessed novel was considered a classic.<\/p>\n<p>That was me in 10th grade.<\/p>\n<p>But earlier this year, I decided to revisit Moby-Dick in midlife, and it hit me completely differently. What once seemed like a tedious story about a guy chasing a whale revealed itself to be a profound meditation on free will, perception, self-reliance, leadership, and obsession. It\u2019s now one of my favorite novels.<\/p>\n<p>To help unpack why Moby-Dick endures \u2014 and why it might be worth picking up again\u2014 I\u2019m joined by Mark Cirino, a professor of American literature. Today on the show, we discuss why Moby-Dick was initially overlooked, the novel\u2019s major themes, and the timeless mystery of Captain Ahab\u2019s monomaniacal quest.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If you went to high school in America, you probably read Moby-Dick \u2014 or, more likely, you skimmed the CliffsNotes and wondered why this dense, whale-obsessed novel was considered a classic. That was me in 10th grade. But earlier this year, I decided to revisit Moby-Dick in midlife, and it hit me completely differently. 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